F*ck the Rainbow. We've been set up - again! I doubt he was ever actually 'anti-trans'. NZ is the West's petri dish, pushed around by the big boys in headoffice elsewhere. We went first and hardest for neo-liberal politics, and under a Labour govt, despite having been the first country to set up a welfare state. We appointed the first 'trans' MP and I think I am right in saying if we had passed sex self-ID when they wanted it passed we would have been first there too. We were one of the first. First to win the vote for women, yes, and that was a rare win for actual progress. But it didn't ultimately deliver progress for women when you look at the female PMs and MPs and how they have helped to get us to this all time low for women's rights and feminist politics, a politics that is supposed to centre the rights of the oppressed and vulnerable, women and children especially. Rainbow politics could not be worse for women and children nor better for the sickest and most sexist of men. Also, if 'trans' kids are 1% of our country's kids, that's more than 100,000 kids being used as pawns in this sick child mutilation, men's rights cause. Depressing.
I've always wondered about the role of gay men in the left. Is that why the left is so ghastly to women? They're the ones pushing changes to surrogacy to diminish the right of the mother. And this terrible perversion of gay rights, seems many gay/nonbinary/messed up men vocally support it. Is gender woo just another opportunity for men of all persuasions to dump on women? Then I remember our prostitution laws, also regressive, championed by plenty of young women. I do agree with you that NZ is the planet's petri dish - small, conformist, agreeable and desperate to be seen as progressive, even if it means selling out women and children.
Yes, it's tricky with gay men and Left politics. Grant Robertson certainly had a lot to do with pushing trans here. I was a big fan of his, thought he had a lot of integrity and intelligence, until he revealed that true, misogynist self. Jennifer Bilek names several prominent gay male billionaires in the US behind the rise of trans there and everywhere. When I came out as a TERF on Facebook, one of the young gale male comedians who had been a fan of my comedy, or said he was, went off his face with rage at me before the inevitable unfriending, telling me how much more violence 'trans and queer' people are subjected to, 'way, way, way...' about twelve 'ways' more violence than women face, he (25) claimed, when I (55, with a PhD in justice for battered women) attempted to gently explain the threat to women's safety and rights that gender ideology poses. But then there's Menno in the UK, who totally gets it, appears to genuinely love and care about women and to despise the men who bully us in the name of trans. Lotta straight men who clearly hate and hurt women too, of course. I'm not sure if gay men are any different - worse/better - there. But the surrogacy issue has exposed a gay male readiness to use women's bodies for their own ends, and indeed that might even be the end game of this whole trans tragedy. They want the right to have their own children no matter the cost to women, just like straight men through prostituion. And they are winning. :(
I’m beginning to think we need a charter of children’s rights which includes their right to a biological mother and father, or at least the knowledge of their biological antecedents not lies on birth certificates.
Yeah, fuck the gay men pushing this shit and using surrogacy etc. Having a child is NOT a human right and Robber's-Son was/is the epitome of the hateful gay man trope.
The (older) gay men I know are frightened to express how they really feel about gender woo woo because they don't want to be kicked out of what was originally their own community, so at least some of them are not onboard with it. Personally, I view New Zealand's wholesale adoption of this thinly disguised men's rights movement as part in parcel of our having the highest domestic violence and child abuse rates in the western world. Despite being the first country in the world to "give" women the vote, their is a deep and terribly dark strain of misogyny in our country. Kelly Anne Keen described it as the worst place in the world to be a woman that she has ever been to.
We are horribly susceptible to the collective delusion of the day. At this point in time it’s progressive shibboleths such as gender ideology but also the racism of the anti racism movement. Though NZers like to think of themselves as heroic and independent and cutting edge, we’ve always been deeply conformist. It just so happens that the conformity is leftist atm. I can remember when it was all neoliberal economics. Sigh. This too shall pass but God only knows how many women and children will have been harmed by the time it departs for good.
I've read the HRC submission on the MoH Pubery Blocker consultation too. There is zero engagement with the MoH findings that there is little evidence of benefit or that puberty blockers cement in a cross-sex identity. Prudence also does not consider whether children have human rights as children- for example children who should not have their developing sexuality suppressed; or who should grow to adulthood in bodies not scarred by years of extreme hormones; or who have a right to a normal puberty and its associated mental development. Buried in the ideology of gender identity she has seen only "trans" kids who are collateral damage of the affirmation of transgender adults.
I agree Jan. Gender-affirming adults are utterly cavalier about the impact on young people's bodies of this medical experimentation. We really do need a charter of children's rights and it should include the right to have a normal puberty. Honestly, it feels peculiar writing this. Of course they do. Whoever thought a faux cross-sex puberty would help any young person?
The Cass Review not peer reviewed? I didn’t realise UK government commissions focussed on producing a report OF studies had to be. Yes these same rainbow groups love referring to “counting ourselves”, (the online survey anyone can fill out ) and circular referenced bodies such as WPATH , the APA as evidence but discount the Cass Report which itself noted these bodies rely on shaky evidence . The HRC is literally contradicting itself. It’s time for these totally captured bodies to go. Wish we had a PM with a backbone.
Because he has no spine, and wants to collect a pay cheque. All of them do, who out of the leaders apart from the Women’s Rights Party stick their heads above the PC over-correctness and makes a stand for truth and reality No One !!!
F*ck the Rainbow. We've been set up - again! I doubt he was ever actually 'anti-trans'. NZ is the West's petri dish, pushed around by the big boys in headoffice elsewhere. We went first and hardest for neo-liberal politics, and under a Labour govt, despite having been the first country to set up a welfare state. We appointed the first 'trans' MP and I think I am right in saying if we had passed sex self-ID when they wanted it passed we would have been first there too. We were one of the first. First to win the vote for women, yes, and that was a rare win for actual progress. But it didn't ultimately deliver progress for women when you look at the female PMs and MPs and how they have helped to get us to this all time low for women's rights and feminist politics, a politics that is supposed to centre the rights of the oppressed and vulnerable, women and children especially. Rainbow politics could not be worse for women and children nor better for the sickest and most sexist of men. Also, if 'trans' kids are 1% of our country's kids, that's more than 100,000 kids being used as pawns in this sick child mutilation, men's rights cause. Depressing.
I've always wondered about the role of gay men in the left. Is that why the left is so ghastly to women? They're the ones pushing changes to surrogacy to diminish the right of the mother. And this terrible perversion of gay rights, seems many gay/nonbinary/messed up men vocally support it. Is gender woo just another opportunity for men of all persuasions to dump on women? Then I remember our prostitution laws, also regressive, championed by plenty of young women. I do agree with you that NZ is the planet's petri dish - small, conformist, agreeable and desperate to be seen as progressive, even if it means selling out women and children.
Yes, it's tricky with gay men and Left politics. Grant Robertson certainly had a lot to do with pushing trans here. I was a big fan of his, thought he had a lot of integrity and intelligence, until he revealed that true, misogynist self. Jennifer Bilek names several prominent gay male billionaires in the US behind the rise of trans there and everywhere. When I came out as a TERF on Facebook, one of the young gale male comedians who had been a fan of my comedy, or said he was, went off his face with rage at me before the inevitable unfriending, telling me how much more violence 'trans and queer' people are subjected to, 'way, way, way...' about twelve 'ways' more violence than women face, he (25) claimed, when I (55, with a PhD in justice for battered women) attempted to gently explain the threat to women's safety and rights that gender ideology poses. But then there's Menno in the UK, who totally gets it, appears to genuinely love and care about women and to despise the men who bully us in the name of trans. Lotta straight men who clearly hate and hurt women too, of course. I'm not sure if gay men are any different - worse/better - there. But the surrogacy issue has exposed a gay male readiness to use women's bodies for their own ends, and indeed that might even be the end game of this whole trans tragedy. They want the right to have their own children no matter the cost to women, just like straight men through prostituion. And they are winning. :(
I’m beginning to think we need a charter of children’s rights which includes their right to a biological mother and father, or at least the knowledge of their biological antecedents not lies on birth certificates.
Yeah, fuck the gay men pushing this shit and using surrogacy etc. Having a child is NOT a human right and Robber's-Son was/is the epitome of the hateful gay man trope.
They can get fucked.
The (older) gay men I know are frightened to express how they really feel about gender woo woo because they don't want to be kicked out of what was originally their own community, so at least some of them are not onboard with it. Personally, I view New Zealand's wholesale adoption of this thinly disguised men's rights movement as part in parcel of our having the highest domestic violence and child abuse rates in the western world. Despite being the first country in the world to "give" women the vote, their is a deep and terribly dark strain of misogyny in our country. Kelly Anne Keen described it as the worst place in the world to be a woman that she has ever been to.
We are horribly susceptible to the collective delusion of the day. At this point in time it’s progressive shibboleths such as gender ideology but also the racism of the anti racism movement. Though NZers like to think of themselves as heroic and independent and cutting edge, we’ve always been deeply conformist. It just so happens that the conformity is leftist atm. I can remember when it was all neoliberal economics. Sigh. This too shall pass but God only knows how many women and children will have been harmed by the time it departs for good.
kill yourself you cunt.
i bet you rape kids, all you conservative fucking weirdos are obsessed with kids genitals because you're pedophiles and rapists.
I've read the HRC submission on the MoH Pubery Blocker consultation too. There is zero engagement with the MoH findings that there is little evidence of benefit or that puberty blockers cement in a cross-sex identity. Prudence also does not consider whether children have human rights as children- for example children who should not have their developing sexuality suppressed; or who should grow to adulthood in bodies not scarred by years of extreme hormones; or who have a right to a normal puberty and its associated mental development. Buried in the ideology of gender identity she has seen only "trans" kids who are collateral damage of the affirmation of transgender adults.
I agree Jan. Gender-affirming adults are utterly cavalier about the impact on young people's bodies of this medical experimentation. We really do need a charter of children's rights and it should include the right to have a normal puberty. Honestly, it feels peculiar writing this. Of course they do. Whoever thought a faux cross-sex puberty would help any young person?
'Cavalier' is a good word.
Jaysus - the HRC is almost an enemy of the State! if you'll allow me a bit of melodrama to push my point :-)
Stephen is away at the moment. Wonder what he really thinks. These people need to be shown the door.
HRC has reached it use by date
Think you may be right. Do we need a DOGE? Are there other govt bodies also past their use-by date?
All of them since they incorporated the NeoRainbow
Yup that absolutely has to be purged.
The Cass Review not peer reviewed? I didn’t realise UK government commissions focussed on producing a report OF studies had to be. Yes these same rainbow groups love referring to “counting ourselves”, (the online survey anyone can fill out ) and circular referenced bodies such as WPATH , the APA as evidence but discount the Cass Report which itself noted these bodies rely on shaky evidence . The HRC is literally contradicting itself. It’s time for these totally captured bodies to go. Wish we had a PM with a backbone.
Because he has no spine, and wants to collect a pay cheque. All of them do, who out of the leaders apart from the Women’s Rights Party stick their heads above the PC over-correctness and makes a stand for truth and reality No One !!!
shut up you miserable terf cunt, kill yourself already.