Thanks for this Yvonne. I'm retired and a lot of my mental and emotional energy goes into staying abreast of gender critical issues, so havent kept up with pay equity. The main theme of your article resonated though - guilty Leftist. I divorced myself from Labour as my natural "home" and with my vote in these past years because of their abandonment of what have always been core Labour issues, and their embrace of identity politics - particularly trans. But I don't feel guilty about this at all. They deserve to have lost me, especially for the misogyny that you so accurately name.
Funny how so many of us are having a change of view. It seems that older women are now definitely invisible to Labour, the Greens and Te Pati Maori. I can't help but think that the original founders of the latter two would be horrified at the weird tangents their parties have diverged down, let alone the founders of the workers party. Commonsense and reasonableness have gone out the window. Collins is right about lack of courtesy. The greens alternative budget left me wondering if they actually understood where their overinflated salaries came from. Time to clear out the excessive numbers of Parliamentarians, go to STV to get better accountabilty, bring back standards for candidates (higher IQs and a decent education would be helpful) and go to the Swiss system of public referendums for important changes, such as those for birth certificate changes and ensure that list MPs are not Ministers since they are not accountable to an electorate. My personal view, which no doubt will be controversial, is that only born and bred NZers should sit in our Parliament as too many strange ideas seem to be being imported from overseas. Aka Mendes-March, Genter et al.
Also Shaneel Lal and Eliana Rubyashkin - imports bringing their grievances and out-sized sense of entitlement with them. Not politicians but destructive forces we should be wary of.
Of course older women are invisible to the establishment Left and its commentariat, all reliably cringe as they try to prove themselves to be down with the yoof. Old women not toeing the line can he dismissed as bigots, terfs, boomers etc, for not cheering on the glorious future that “our rangitahi” and “tamariki” will manifest (along with various sanctified communiddys).
I always thought Germaine Greer & Camille Paglia were cool from my somewhat younger perspective. Also retired & the pay equity thing is bracketed in my mind with those other modern equities that I am sceptical of. Who doesn't think they're underpaid & very reasonably so for many?
True “cool” is being brave and unapologetic and authentic. Anyone can do that. I was never very “cool” when I was younger and through both reading, and a varied social life I noticed there are unique and interesting people everywhere including in the different generations. Just as there are bores, poseurs and dummies everywhere including the conformist and damaged “young people” we are told to listen to.
Great commentary of those events over the last week or so, Yvonne. I've been pondering on how to write about them myself, but now I don't need to :-) I agree with pay equity as a rule, but it seems to me that the parameters got loosened in 2020, from the original 2017 agreement. From what I can make out, pay equity ended up being conflated with the desire, and need, for higher wages in certain female dominated industries, which might be resolvable by collective bargaining with their employer, with the pay in those industries being due to actual sex discrimination because it was a female dominated. The roll out of the changes and the comms around them were extremely badly handled by ACT and National, and the Left have lied, been hyperbolic, and as we know vicious about it all. A perfect storm!
Thanks Katrina. I think doing this substack is a way of finding my people, who will inevitably be quite different from the people I used to surround myself with. Now I value people with unfashionable opinions who challenge me. Agree with you on pay equity. Also I now deeply distrust any argument put forward by Labour. They should have known better than to piss off older women!
Omg the hyper dramatic victim narrative in full flight.
“In 2023 alone, hundreds of trans people were murdered. Thousands more faced assaults, discrimination, and the daily erosion of their rights. In some countries, we are stripped of our ability to access healthcare, education, and even the right to exist publicly.”
No facts to support this of course. Utter twaddle.
Hi Yvonne, I wanted to respond to your Guilty Leftist substack but I’m logged in there as Resist Gender Education and pay equity is outside RGE’s focus.
So, I’m responding personally here instead.
I think in your post you have conflated two separate problems - one is the systemic undervaluation of work done by women, and the second is the metrics where men are worse off than women (eg workplace accidents). Fixing the first won’t make any difference to the second, or vice versa, so it’s not relevant to include the male metrics in a discussion about pay equity.
You are right that life isn’t fair but that doesn’t mean we should give up on trying to improve it. That attitude would have left women being paid less for the *same* job as was routine until 1973.
We now have equal pay in most workplaces but some female-dominated jobs that have always been low paid cannot bring their pay up to a fair rate through cost of living increases, which is all bargaining with employers usually achieves.
The 2020 Act was a cross party agreement and heralded by Willis etc when it was passed, so it’s not a dastardly Leftist plot. What has made it come unstuck is the proof that women have been underpaid by billions and Willis desperately needs the money for the budget. So women are being asked to sacrifice fair pay for the country’s benefit but no such sacrifice is asked of the well paid.
The government’s spin that librarians were being compared with fisheries officers is just a smokescreen that hides the complexity of the comparison process. Comparing is not saying that two jobs are the same, but looking at the similarities and differences and then making adjustments to pay rates to take those into account. Why is a female- dominated job requiring a degree for entrance paid significantly less than a male-dominated job without a degree, after extra payment for danger, stress, and skill shortages is taken into account? That is the crux of pay equity.
The changes to the law now make it extremely hard for pay equity claims to go ahead. 70% female for at least ten years locks out many. Using comparators in the same sector is impossible for most health workers. Etc.
If we think women’s work should be valued on an equal footing as men’s then we can’t welcome the changes and should recognise that women have been shafted yet again.
I do agree that the left doesn’t care about women but neither does the right.
If I ran the world I’d cut the bejesus out of so many overpaid public sector positions and politicians pay rates, they’d be screaming from here until Christmas. But I don’t. I appreciate your thoughtful response Fern but I can’t escape the feeling that this attempt to iron out perceived injustices is a manipulative exercise that turns on the view that women are inherently vulnerable. It feels like emotional blackmail. Anyway, thank you for your response. I’ll watch with interest as this issue is played out.
I think it turns on the view that women have longstanding pay inequities. However, I agree it’s a manipulative exercise that does nothing to challenge the even worse pay inequity of CEOs earning millions and paying less tax than the low paid workers they rely on. If I ran the world, I’d start there. 🤯
As a former nurse (a 95% female profession, where 50% of the people in "leadership" roles are men), I have to say nurses are hellava underpaid for what they/we do. I could have earned a lot more selling real estate, a lot more, and my brother earned more in his first year working in finance then I earned in my first 10 years as a nurse. (He was advising some of the wealthiest people in the world on how to exploit third world economies). In terms of the social worth and level of responsibility of what nurses do, we should be paid far more then finance guys, real estate agents, used car salesmen etc. (And so should teachers and the police, in my opinion). Society pays you what they think you're work is worth, and it says something about our society that we value bottom feeders like finance guys and real estate agents more highly then the people who teach your children, protect you (theoretically), and look after your mother when she is dying.
That said, my hourly wage as a community mental health nurse with 10 plus years experience was actually higher then that of the psychiatric registras that I worked with. Their salary was higher then my wage, but when you broke their salary down into the hours that they were forced to work, I was earning more per hour then them. I had a three year polytech diploma, a couple of masters papers, 10 plus years experience, and a lot of responsibility for other peoples lives. They had a 6 year medical degree, were part way through a 5 year specialist training, 5-10 years experience, and even more responsibility for other peoples lives. (Medicine is about 50/50 when it comes to sex), so things don't always break down exactly the way you might imagine.
Perhaps the hardest lesson we all learn is that life isn't fair no matter how much we try to even things up. It's a worthy aim but we also have to recognise that we all live off the generated income from the private sector. Having said that I know several public servants paid much more than high school teachers. I know who I think works harder! Also nurses. I have had frequent reason to be immensely grateful to the ministrations of nurses.
Oh well, I hope we don't fall out over this, and I do relate to your fatalistic resignation that friends will be lost over your views on pay equity. It's pretty much come to that, hasn't it. I also think it is highly likely that labour instigated the somewhat sweeping and excessive 2020 pay equity complaints process for women to balance their betrayal of women in favour of the men pushing the trans agenda. Laurel Hubbard in women's Olympic weightlifting was in the news that year. But I don't agree we need to show gratitude for the private secto because they generate all the income, when unpaid women and the majority female public sector workforce (but plenty men too), produce, raise, educate and manage the health of their workforce, a workforce they pay as little as they can get away with paying, and that now for many jobs has to pay for a good part of their expensive higher education. Meanwhile, all the parent-teacher volunteers in the nine years I did that work at our local primary school - and nine years at Playcentre before that - were mothers, even working mothers, as I was for much of it (university tutor, with Master's degree in the subject, $20 per/hour). And now, looking after our elderly mother, I do more of that caregiving than my brother does though I live in a different country and he's just around the corner from her. No one expects him to do more (except me), and from what I have seen and read about that is how it has always been for the majority of brothers and sisters when it comes to looking after their elders in need. I think women for pay equity are fighting this built in exploitation of our labour and carework especially and that, in principle, if not in every detail, I support this fight. Only one in ten of the world's billionaires are women, while women consistently show much higher rates of charitable donations compared with men in their same income brackets. Pay women more and that money will be much more likely to trickle down to those that need it than adding to the massive money the mostly male movers and shakers in the private sector make. Meanwhile, the male suicide rate is not that much higher than the female rate and the difference is particularly high not in the young, as people tend to assume, but in the 80+ age bracket. Men are also much more likely to use guns (for obvious reasons), while women more often use tablets that don't always work. I have read that the female attempted suicide rate is higher than the male rate. Women live longer on average because female apes live longer on average than male apes. We are physiologically the stronger sex. Males are also naturally more reckless in their youth especially. Heterosexual married men live longer lives than single men, while het married women live shorter lives compared with single women. That's quite telling. Altogether, I think we very much still live in a patriarchy - the Trans movement has shown us that with sledgehammer subtlety - and as such, there is no equivalent exploitation and systemic underpaying of men's labour. Tradies, 90+% male, are invariably overpaid and underregulated as well.
I won't ditch you if you don't ditch me! My experience is that once the left see you've veered from the narrative, they cancel you - socially and professionally. Re the private sector - I think we need a realistic appreciation that the profits of the private sector are what the public sector is built on. It seems obtuse to deny that fact. What the trans issue has taught me is that it is important to face reality otherwise we can't deal with issues honestly. And yes, woman do a lot of unpaid work. That is also true. Life isn't fair. I don't have quite as rosy a view of women as you do, that is, pay them more and the money will trickle down to those in need. All I know is that the woke reign of terror was largely driven by white, educated women. I don't think they've been very nice or kind to anyone who didn't share their views though I'm sure they think they are.
If white, educated women like us are the main drivers of the trans movement, it is strange that we are also its main resistors. Having read Jennifer Bilek and so many others of this opinion, as well as been at Albert Park and seen Marama Davidson front stab women there in broad daylight, and all those shitty men lusting to punch us in the name of Trans, I cannot agree that our demographic drove or drives this movement. Yes, certain female PM's in the Anglo West, including our own, definintely oversaw significant pro-Trans reforms, but given what we know about the massive money behind Trans, I believe these women were strategically placed in the top job by the billionare Trans leaders across the world in order to push the legislation through they wanted in a way that made it look like women endorsed it, that women were pushing it, even, when nothing could have been further from the truth. Suddenly Australia had a female PM, the one and only - not another since - and sure enough she is called upon (it was not her idea) - to replace 'sex' with 'gender identity' in the relevant anti-sex discrimination laws. Sturgeon brought in sex self-ID up against huge opposition from Scottish women and her own feminist principles, and Jacinda was forced to endorse the flabby giant Laurel Hubbard's mortifying breach of all human decency and fairness when he joined the NZ women's weightlifting team to an international outcry, making New Zealand a laughing stock and a betrayor of our strong feminist credentials, as well as putting through self-ID here. I don't think that is a coincidence that three women in key countries - and Kamala in the US, if you can count her - were in the top job, usually reserved for men, when Trans needed this critical legislation to pass. I believe they were, without their knowing, of course, groomed for the job.
I’d like to see evidence that billionaire trans leaders put these women leaders in power and that’s why they supported gender ideology. I was at Albert park too and although there were some men, aggressive and unpleasant, when the barricades came down we were surrounded by chanting young women. I blame the bekindist movement and also women’s enthusiasm to embrace those viewed as vulnerable.
Further comment. After reading the case beloe. Only born and bred NZers should be working in any government department or ministry. Corrupt practice is all too frequentwith migrants from countries which do not have the same vaues. Huge cost to NZ taxpayer sorting out this corruption and caring for them in gaol. No doubt a result of DEI policies.
It’s true that migrants with different values can clash with our culture. But I doubt we’d ever be able to enforce the born and bred requirement. Apart from the inevitable pushback from liberals, I wonder if our govt departments etc could function without migrants now.
Thanks for this Yvonne. I'm retired and a lot of my mental and emotional energy goes into staying abreast of gender critical issues, so havent kept up with pay equity. The main theme of your article resonated though - guilty Leftist. I divorced myself from Labour as my natural "home" and with my vote in these past years because of their abandonment of what have always been core Labour issues, and their embrace of identity politics - particularly trans. But I don't feel guilty about this at all. They deserve to have lost me, especially for the misogyny that you so accurately name.
Funny how so many of us are having a change of view. It seems that older women are now definitely invisible to Labour, the Greens and Te Pati Maori. I can't help but think that the original founders of the latter two would be horrified at the weird tangents their parties have diverged down, let alone the founders of the workers party. Commonsense and reasonableness have gone out the window. Collins is right about lack of courtesy. The greens alternative budget left me wondering if they actually understood where their overinflated salaries came from. Time to clear out the excessive numbers of Parliamentarians, go to STV to get better accountabilty, bring back standards for candidates (higher IQs and a decent education would be helpful) and go to the Swiss system of public referendums for important changes, such as those for birth certificate changes and ensure that list MPs are not Ministers since they are not accountable to an electorate. My personal view, which no doubt will be controversial, is that only born and bred NZers should sit in our Parliament as too many strange ideas seem to be being imported from overseas. Aka Mendes-March, Genter et al.
Also Shaneel Lal and Eliana Rubyashkin - imports bringing their grievances and out-sized sense of entitlement with them. Not politicians but destructive forces we should be wary of.
Of course older women are invisible to the establishment Left and its commentariat, all reliably cringe as they try to prove themselves to be down with the yoof. Old women not toeing the line can he dismissed as bigots, terfs, boomers etc, for not cheering on the glorious future that “our rangitahi” and “tamariki” will manifest (along with various sanctified communiddys).
I have a horrible feeling I was once also horribly ageist. Older women have rarely been cool (maybe RBG) but let this be our time!
I always thought Germaine Greer & Camille Paglia were cool from my somewhat younger perspective. Also retired & the pay equity thing is bracketed in my mind with those other modern equities that I am sceptical of. Who doesn't think they're underpaid & very reasonably so for many?
Exactly! Amping up this grievance feels cheap and easy and dishonest.
True “cool” is being brave and unapologetic and authentic. Anyone can do that. I was never very “cool” when I was younger and through both reading, and a varied social life I noticed there are unique and interesting people everywhere including in the different generations. Just as there are bores, poseurs and dummies everywhere including the conformist and damaged “young people” we are told to listen to.
RBG??
Ruth Bader-Ginsberg. Remember her? American Liberal judge in a sea of conservatives. I think the movie on her was called RBG.
Thanks for that.
SPOT ON, Chris.
Great commentary of those events over the last week or so, Yvonne. I've been pondering on how to write about them myself, but now I don't need to :-) I agree with pay equity as a rule, but it seems to me that the parameters got loosened in 2020, from the original 2017 agreement. From what I can make out, pay equity ended up being conflated with the desire, and need, for higher wages in certain female dominated industries, which might be resolvable by collective bargaining with their employer, with the pay in those industries being due to actual sex discrimination because it was a female dominated. The roll out of the changes and the comms around them were extremely badly handled by ACT and National, and the Left have lied, been hyperbolic, and as we know vicious about it all. A perfect storm!
Thanks Katrina. I think doing this substack is a way of finding my people, who will inevitably be quite different from the people I used to surround myself with. Now I value people with unfashionable opinions who challenge me. Agree with you on pay equity. Also I now deeply distrust any argument put forward by Labour. They should have known better than to piss off older women!
I like your phrase -- "gender ideology escaped the lab"
In reference to Rubashkin (originally Eli Golberstein)found this rambling rubbish. Another case of exploiting different countries
https://www.pridenz.com/ait_a_refugee_among_refugees_proud_2016.html
and this
https://substack.com/home/post/p-152391346
Looks like theres been another name change. Probably a consequence of Albert park.
Omg the hyper dramatic victim narrative in full flight.
“In 2023 alone, hundreds of trans people were murdered. Thousands more faced assaults, discrimination, and the daily erosion of their rights. In some countries, we are stripped of our ability to access healthcare, education, and even the right to exist publicly.”
No facts to support this of course. Utter twaddle.
From Fern Hickson.
Hi Yvonne, I wanted to respond to your Guilty Leftist substack but I’m logged in there as Resist Gender Education and pay equity is outside RGE’s focus.
So, I’m responding personally here instead.
I think in your post you have conflated two separate problems - one is the systemic undervaluation of work done by women, and the second is the metrics where men are worse off than women (eg workplace accidents). Fixing the first won’t make any difference to the second, or vice versa, so it’s not relevant to include the male metrics in a discussion about pay equity.
You are right that life isn’t fair but that doesn’t mean we should give up on trying to improve it. That attitude would have left women being paid less for the *same* job as was routine until 1973.
We now have equal pay in most workplaces but some female-dominated jobs that have always been low paid cannot bring their pay up to a fair rate through cost of living increases, which is all bargaining with employers usually achieves.
The 2020 Act was a cross party agreement and heralded by Willis etc when it was passed, so it’s not a dastardly Leftist plot. What has made it come unstuck is the proof that women have been underpaid by billions and Willis desperately needs the money for the budget. So women are being asked to sacrifice fair pay for the country’s benefit but no such sacrifice is asked of the well paid.
The government’s spin that librarians were being compared with fisheries officers is just a smokescreen that hides the complexity of the comparison process. Comparing is not saying that two jobs are the same, but looking at the similarities and differences and then making adjustments to pay rates to take those into account. Why is a female- dominated job requiring a degree for entrance paid significantly less than a male-dominated job without a degree, after extra payment for danger, stress, and skill shortages is taken into account? That is the crux of pay equity.
The changes to the law now make it extremely hard for pay equity claims to go ahead. 70% female for at least ten years locks out many. Using comparators in the same sector is impossible for most health workers. Etc.
If we think women’s work should be valued on an equal footing as men’s then we can’t welcome the changes and should recognise that women have been shafted yet again.
I do agree that the left doesn’t care about women but neither does the right.
If I ran the world I’d cut the bejesus out of so many overpaid public sector positions and politicians pay rates, they’d be screaming from here until Christmas. But I don’t. I appreciate your thoughtful response Fern but I can’t escape the feeling that this attempt to iron out perceived injustices is a manipulative exercise that turns on the view that women are inherently vulnerable. It feels like emotional blackmail. Anyway, thank you for your response. I’ll watch with interest as this issue is played out.
I think it turns on the view that women have longstanding pay inequities. However, I agree it’s a manipulative exercise that does nothing to challenge the even worse pay inequity of CEOs earning millions and paying less tax than the low paid workers they rely on. If I ran the world, I’d start there. 🤯
As a former nurse (a 95% female profession, where 50% of the people in "leadership" roles are men), I have to say nurses are hellava underpaid for what they/we do. I could have earned a lot more selling real estate, a lot more, and my brother earned more in his first year working in finance then I earned in my first 10 years as a nurse. (He was advising some of the wealthiest people in the world on how to exploit third world economies). In terms of the social worth and level of responsibility of what nurses do, we should be paid far more then finance guys, real estate agents, used car salesmen etc. (And so should teachers and the police, in my opinion). Society pays you what they think you're work is worth, and it says something about our society that we value bottom feeders like finance guys and real estate agents more highly then the people who teach your children, protect you (theoretically), and look after your mother when she is dying.
That said, my hourly wage as a community mental health nurse with 10 plus years experience was actually higher then that of the psychiatric registras that I worked with. Their salary was higher then my wage, but when you broke their salary down into the hours that they were forced to work, I was earning more per hour then them. I had a three year polytech diploma, a couple of masters papers, 10 plus years experience, and a lot of responsibility for other peoples lives. They had a 6 year medical degree, were part way through a 5 year specialist training, 5-10 years experience, and even more responsibility for other peoples lives. (Medicine is about 50/50 when it comes to sex), so things don't always break down exactly the way you might imagine.
Perhaps the hardest lesson we all learn is that life isn't fair no matter how much we try to even things up. It's a worthy aim but we also have to recognise that we all live off the generated income from the private sector. Having said that I know several public servants paid much more than high school teachers. I know who I think works harder! Also nurses. I have had frequent reason to be immensely grateful to the ministrations of nurses.
Oh well, I hope we don't fall out over this, and I do relate to your fatalistic resignation that friends will be lost over your views on pay equity. It's pretty much come to that, hasn't it. I also think it is highly likely that labour instigated the somewhat sweeping and excessive 2020 pay equity complaints process for women to balance their betrayal of women in favour of the men pushing the trans agenda. Laurel Hubbard in women's Olympic weightlifting was in the news that year. But I don't agree we need to show gratitude for the private secto because they generate all the income, when unpaid women and the majority female public sector workforce (but plenty men too), produce, raise, educate and manage the health of their workforce, a workforce they pay as little as they can get away with paying, and that now for many jobs has to pay for a good part of their expensive higher education. Meanwhile, all the parent-teacher volunteers in the nine years I did that work at our local primary school - and nine years at Playcentre before that - were mothers, even working mothers, as I was for much of it (university tutor, with Master's degree in the subject, $20 per/hour). And now, looking after our elderly mother, I do more of that caregiving than my brother does though I live in a different country and he's just around the corner from her. No one expects him to do more (except me), and from what I have seen and read about that is how it has always been for the majority of brothers and sisters when it comes to looking after their elders in need. I think women for pay equity are fighting this built in exploitation of our labour and carework especially and that, in principle, if not in every detail, I support this fight. Only one in ten of the world's billionaires are women, while women consistently show much higher rates of charitable donations compared with men in their same income brackets. Pay women more and that money will be much more likely to trickle down to those that need it than adding to the massive money the mostly male movers and shakers in the private sector make. Meanwhile, the male suicide rate is not that much higher than the female rate and the difference is particularly high not in the young, as people tend to assume, but in the 80+ age bracket. Men are also much more likely to use guns (for obvious reasons), while women more often use tablets that don't always work. I have read that the female attempted suicide rate is higher than the male rate. Women live longer on average because female apes live longer on average than male apes. We are physiologically the stronger sex. Males are also naturally more reckless in their youth especially. Heterosexual married men live longer lives than single men, while het married women live shorter lives compared with single women. That's quite telling. Altogether, I think we very much still live in a patriarchy - the Trans movement has shown us that with sledgehammer subtlety - and as such, there is no equivalent exploitation and systemic underpaying of men's labour. Tradies, 90+% male, are invariably overpaid and underregulated as well.
I won't ditch you if you don't ditch me! My experience is that once the left see you've veered from the narrative, they cancel you - socially and professionally. Re the private sector - I think we need a realistic appreciation that the profits of the private sector are what the public sector is built on. It seems obtuse to deny that fact. What the trans issue has taught me is that it is important to face reality otherwise we can't deal with issues honestly. And yes, woman do a lot of unpaid work. That is also true. Life isn't fair. I don't have quite as rosy a view of women as you do, that is, pay them more and the money will trickle down to those in need. All I know is that the woke reign of terror was largely driven by white, educated women. I don't think they've been very nice or kind to anyone who didn't share their views though I'm sure they think they are.
If white, educated women like us are the main drivers of the trans movement, it is strange that we are also its main resistors. Having read Jennifer Bilek and so many others of this opinion, as well as been at Albert Park and seen Marama Davidson front stab women there in broad daylight, and all those shitty men lusting to punch us in the name of Trans, I cannot agree that our demographic drove or drives this movement. Yes, certain female PM's in the Anglo West, including our own, definintely oversaw significant pro-Trans reforms, but given what we know about the massive money behind Trans, I believe these women were strategically placed in the top job by the billionare Trans leaders across the world in order to push the legislation through they wanted in a way that made it look like women endorsed it, that women were pushing it, even, when nothing could have been further from the truth. Suddenly Australia had a female PM, the one and only - not another since - and sure enough she is called upon (it was not her idea) - to replace 'sex' with 'gender identity' in the relevant anti-sex discrimination laws. Sturgeon brought in sex self-ID up against huge opposition from Scottish women and her own feminist principles, and Jacinda was forced to endorse the flabby giant Laurel Hubbard's mortifying breach of all human decency and fairness when he joined the NZ women's weightlifting team to an international outcry, making New Zealand a laughing stock and a betrayor of our strong feminist credentials, as well as putting through self-ID here. I don't think that is a coincidence that three women in key countries - and Kamala in the US, if you can count her - were in the top job, usually reserved for men, when Trans needed this critical legislation to pass. I believe they were, without their knowing, of course, groomed for the job.
I’d like to see evidence that billionaire trans leaders put these women leaders in power and that’s why they supported gender ideology. I was at Albert park too and although there were some men, aggressive and unpleasant, when the barricades came down we were surrounded by chanting young women. I blame the bekindist movement and also women’s enthusiasm to embrace those viewed as vulnerable.
Same. Maybe we just grew up and stopped seeing ourselves as victims of something or other?!
You can't produce facts out of complete untruths. Clear symptons of a full blown fantasy or more probably schizoid.
Further comment. After reading the case beloe. Only born and bred NZers should be working in any government department or ministry. Corrupt practice is all too frequentwith migrants from countries which do not have the same vaues. Huge cost to NZ taxpayer sorting out this corruption and caring for them in gaol. No doubt a result of DEI policies.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/05/16/the-secret-marriage-that-helped-a-couple-defraud-ot-out-of-2m/
It’s true that migrants with different values can clash with our culture. But I doubt we’d ever be able to enforce the born and bred requirement. Apart from the inevitable pushback from liberals, I wonder if our govt departments etc could function without migrants now.